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Take two

 Ok-rewatching Beast Below and this time something I had heard but was too busy thinking about other things in the episode to acknowledge--When they enter the tower of London Hawthorne( that is what Liz Ten called him, right?) says this:

"Protesters and citizens of limited value are fed to the beast."

K, we all understand the protesters thing, but the second part is what I'm talking about. "citizens of limited value".

Wait, what? They make judgments on the value of their citizens and not just on the adults because obviously those judgments are also made against children. We start out seeing Timmy scared because of his failure, and Mandy worried about him followed by her crying about him.

The government decides who is useful or not and disposes of those that are not? That is a completely different problem and one which the resolution of this episode in no way addresses.

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elisi
Apr. 11th, 2010 07:31 pm (UTC)
Oooh good catch. Dunno what to make of it, though, although it does tie in with the 'police state' observation at the beginning. Hmmmm.
darthishtar
Apr. 13th, 2010 03:31 am (UTC)
Well, in a different take and appropriately given your birth year...
While thinking about this, obviously, as the co-author of that book-that-will-never-get-finished, I thought about the Nazi regime. All of the definitions of subhuman citizens and such. But then, being the nerd that you know so well, I also thought about the Thought Police from 1984. Then that made me stop and think about what the Doctor, in any of his incarnations would have done in reaction to that. Because, really, he takes issue with the torture of the star whale, but he doesn't really object on the whole to the society's enforced ignorance. He does object when Amy presumes to decide what he does and does not need to know. Interesting difference, I think.
elisi
Apr. 13th, 2010 09:37 am (UTC)
Re: Well, in a different take and appropriately given your birth year...
Because, really, he takes issue with the torture of the star whale, but he doesn't really object on the whole to the society's enforced ignorance.
You know, I touched on this subject in this essay about the Doctor's moral code. The conclusion I came to (in as much as I came to a conclusion at all) is that he tends to only interfere when there is a conflict between species (or when timelines have been messed with) - on the whole he leaves societies to sort themselves out. (It's one of those *fascinating* subjects, because there isn't a right answer as such.)
kateydidnt
Apr. 13th, 2010 10:28 am (UTC)
Re: Well, in a different take and appropriately given your birth year...
oh, wow, i'd never even thought of that, but you're right.
elisi
Apr. 13th, 2010 10:51 am (UTC)
Re: Well, in a different take and appropriately given your birth year...
Did you watch 'Dreamland' - the cartoon set in the '50s? (It touched on this, you see, in passing, but I don't want to spoil you if you want to watch it at some point.)

Edited at 2010-04-13 10:53 am (UTC)
spiritofeowyn
Apr. 13th, 2010 04:48 pm (UTC)
So... people will still be fed to the creature? And that is alright?
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